Wednesday, July 11, 2012
So how are Christians supposed to act?
I have to tell you that I am very worried about the way that people behave in the here and now while calling themselves Christians.
For those of you who are not Christian I would ask you that you would give those who are the benefit of the doubt. Just like many of you are trying to do with Muslims or Buddhists or Hindus or… See just like it was a small subset of Muslims who attacked and destroyed so much on September 11 it is a small but obvious group of people who call themselves Christian who give the rest a black eye.
Many of these people have no clue what it really says in the bible. They never read theirs though they may have 5 or 6 in their homes.
Some of us try to read our bibles but get easily distracted. And some of us manage to get into the word of God regularly. It does not help when people who are NOT Christian try to tell everyone what is in the bible when all too often it is taken out of context.
How would you like it if I told you all about your favorite idea/s but never really learned what those ideas really were?
So give the Christians you know a bit of a break. They are not perfect they are people too just like you, they make mistakes just like you. And while some of them might seem to be a little quick to hold things over others, haven’t you done the same thing once or twice?
As it says in Roman’s “all have sinned and fallen shirt of the glory of God.” Even those who are Christians.
Wednesday, July 4, 2012
Why is the Lord of the rings and the Chronicles of Narnia OK for Christians to read but Harry Potter isn’t?
Well on the surface this seems both easy and hard, and it is, just not in the way it looks.
I once helped to teach a Sunday school class for third graders. That question came out right after the LOTR trilogy was released (which also happened to be when A Narnia movie came out as well as a Harry Potter. And it raised some real questions for “our” kids.
A friend of mine tried saying that it was because Gandalf and the characters in lord of the rings were true to their form. In other words Gandalf was MADE to be a wizard as Legolas was MADE to be an elf and Frodo was made to be a hobbit. But the thing is that really the same could be said of Harry Potter. The ones who were wizards were ones who were BORN to it. You do not ever see in those books Uncle Vernon trying to pick up a wand and wave it to make magic.
Aunt Petunia never puts a cauldron in the kitchen and start adding eye of newt or toe of frog. And Dudley never tries to fight dementors… EVEN WHEN THEY ARE ATTACKING HIM.
Harry, ( and Hermione and Draco and Ron etc…) were BORN Or created the way they were, the same as Gandalf and others.
So that doesn’t hold up.
It isn’t about magic per se. obviously look at the comparison.
It isn’t about the monsters. There are trolls, goblins, Wargs and other nasties in LOTR the same as in Potter. And there are even more of those kinds of things in Narnia then there are in HP. So where is the problem? Could it be that it is simply because J.R.R. Tolkien and C.S. Lewis use initials instead of a full name? Oh wait J.K. Rowling… nope guess that wasn’t it. Maybe it is because Lewis and Tolkien wrote from a Christian Perspective and Rowling did not. Ah yes… and no.
Tolkien’s books were not meant to take the place of any thing Christian, neither were they supposed to be allegorical (though Lewis’ works clearly were.) Tolkien was simply writing about good verses evil period. Some would say here that that is the same thing Rowling does. Of course Rowling's characters were children placed in harm’s way while Tolkien went to great pains to point out that his Characters were all grown up. “AH” you say “but Lewis’ characters were children too!”
But here we come to the real crux of the problem. See the real difference (and it is really a simple one). Tolkien's good guys never lied.
Lewis’ good guys didn’t lie either at least not after they were redeemed.
See the real problem with Harry Potter is one of simple morality.
Whatever Harry chooses to do is OK either simply because it’s Harry, or because everything worked out ok in the end.
Harry, Ron and Hermione accuse, lie, cheat, disobey, steal and basically sin their way through it all and in the end it’s ok because the ends justify the means.
Yeah they put themselves and others in danger when they disobeyed and went up against the troll but they beat it so it’s ok.
Yeah Harry cheated and snuck out to go to town when He shouldn’t have but he is ok so no harm done give him a treat.
Yeah they flaunted authority but the authority was in the wrong and so it is ok that they did that.
They get to make (or break) the rules as they go. However they want to do it. They never are brought to justice. They just “follow their heart/s” and it is all ok.
No need for adult supervision, they all just get in the way or make things difficult. No need for obedience to the law never mind that those laws are there to protect them. CLEARLY they must know better then whoever made up that law. After all they ARE ok aren’t they?
See in Narnia we see what harm can come from telling a lie. In HP telling a lie can be a good thing. In Narnia we see that we need to find forgiveness when we hurt others. In HP however not only do we not have to try to get along but we can be rude and spiteful at the same time.
In Middle earth we see a huge struggle between good and evil.
In hp we see a struggle between evil and… the not so bad maybe after all when you realize how well it all worked out in the end right?
Now maybe HP seems more like the way the world works in reality where we have to compromise (not that Harry is ever willing to compromise where Snape is concerned) and things aren’t always picture perfect.
But Christians are supposed to think on “whatever is GOOD whatever is HOLY” and that AIN’T Harry Potter.
Sometimes we need to be aware of what message we are sending to our kids. And while sometimes the world requires compromise, we, ALL OF US, should be trying to pursue loftier realms. Watch a movie Like Seabiscuit, Rudy, The Rookie. The Sound of Music (all based on real life events) or Chariots of fire (again…). Here are people REAL LIFE PEOPLE who did not compromise their faith or beliefs and the world was made a better place for it.
Wednesday, June 27, 2012
Why do Christians debate people?
The real crux of the debate as I see it is as follows.
There are Christians/people of faith in the world and there are people who are against that faith.
Now people who believe in God (Christians) are trying to live their lives the way that God tells them (us) to. That means reaching out to others, preaching the word and praying. In the Bible we see that God is not willing that any one should die (that is to die in sin without knowing God) but he has given us free will so there will be those who will.
The other side is represented by people who will declare, as loudly as they can, that They want to be “Happy” they want to be allowed to live “THEIR” life/lives the way THEY see fit.
As soon as you make that declaration you show that you are living only for yourself, that is selfish plain and simple. You are living your life for you and only you. God tells us to live for others and for him.
Now the Christian view is that there will be an afterlife, a shot at living for ETERNITY in heaven. The way to get there is through Jesus Christ. That means there is hope. This world is NOT all we have there is a time when I will be able to live a life that is perfect. Where there is no pain there is no worry and I can be with all those I have loved and that others have loved and this is something that I can lead other people to. How wonderful it would be for all who I know to be able to know God and to be with him in that love and care for ETERNITY.
On the other hand the selfish person is basically saying I want to be happy NOW, I want to be happy HERE. There is no thought at all for any future, let alone eternity. So they are basically living without hope they are living this life basically saying “this is it, this is all I have available to me.
How MISERABLE that must be. There can be no hope in that thinking because that means that the only thing we get is what this world offers us and what do we get from this world?
We get too hot, we get too cold. We face constant hardship and struggle. We get sick we get injured we see friends and family die sometimes in Horrible ways. That is what this world offers. Entropy suffering sickness pain sorrow and finally death. How sad how miserable how depressing.
That is why Christians try to teach people about Jesus, that is why they will tell you about his love that is why they will pray for you and that is why they have hope. They want to share that hope and yet all those others out there want to reject it insisting that this is it.
Wednesday, June 20, 2012
A different perspective on it all.
I recently was involved in a couple of different debates. Both of these involved people who call themselves Christians. Unfortunately they also both show the problem that people see when they look at “Christians” and why some judgements are passed on us all because of your actions.
First my conversation on Facebook. A friend of mine posted an issue regarding the preferential treatment some religions get, in the military, over Christianity.
Her point was a valid one that needs to be opened so others can talk about it. But one of her… “less religious” friends took exception to the idea. Her view point was one that unfortunately is prevalent today. “Christianity needs to be more accepting of other religions, after all, all religions are equal.”
This is a concept that first has to assume that all religions ARE equal. Any “Christian” should be able to refute, easily. But so often “we” can’t seem to. Why is that? Simply because we, first, do not know what it is that we believe in. Second, we do not live our lives by the standards set by that faith.
An excellent example would be my second conversation. I was standing near a pair of men who go to my church. They are active in the church and they were, in fact, there to participate in a ministry opportunity. The conversation involved politics, more specifically it involved the issue of Taxation… Flat tax verses progressive tax. Both the other gentlemen preferred the idea of a flat tax because “those people who are NOT paying taxes are benefiting and living off the fruits of other’s labor.
Now here is a sound argument right? I pointed out that many of those who are not paying taxes right now CANNOT afford to pay taxes. They are already stretched to the limit. When I made that point their responses were… (1) They need to budget their money better. And, (2) They could always go out and get a better job or an education so that they could have better pay. And (3) if they were paying taxes the economy would be better and that would solve their problem.”
Here is the problem with those arguments… in reverse order.
So first, the problem with the last point is that the economy didn’t go south because of people not paying taxes, it went down because banks were playing loosey goosey with the financial market and made bad loans and then the government tried to bail them out. This increased the burden on a desperate, GLOBAL, society and caused panic and devastation for a lot of people in all walks of life. Rich, poor or middle class!
Second point, I challenge these gentlemen, or any other Christian, to tell me how it is that someone who cannot afford to pay a 10 percent tax (on their 200 dollar a week pay) might be able to pay 20-50 THOUSAND dollars instead. All so that they can get an education so they can get a better job.
I have tried to get an education and I got part way through college before the money dried up. The federal government will not pay a full tuition. So I have to make up the difference. How am I to do that? There are only so many grants and scholarships, they are all being fought for by LOTS of people, and most of those won’t cover even half of the cost that is left after the Government assistance. So in order to cover the whole cost I would have to either get a really AWESOME scholarship, or compete and HOPE that I can get enough of the smaller scholarships in order to cover the cost/s.
OR I could try to get a loan right? First leaving aside today’s economy, where it would be difficult to get a job after school, is it really in the best interest of these people to go into debt when they are not sure if they are going to ever be able to get out of it again? After all that happens often enough to be a concern. And that is assuming that they have the credit score to get those loans; that their credit wasn’t already damaged because they had to try to make ends meet and they couldn’t so they defaulted on their car payment or rent.
So an education might not be the best viable solution… unless we mandated and paid for (with our tax dollars) free college for everyone. But doesn’t that add to the problem?
So finally we get to address that first point. Budget their money better… yeah that is right it is all the fault of these poor people that they are poor right? I wonder how many of you “Christians” have considered that Jesus (you know the reason for Christmas) was born poor? Based on the argument that these poor people need to just budget better then aren’t we in effect saying that it was Mary or Joseph’s fault that Jesus was born in a stable? After all if they had only budgeted their time better they could have arrived early enough to get that room in the inn. Or if they had budgeted their finances better they might have been able to convince the innkeeper to kick out another guest in favor of the higher rate, or even let them stay in his own room while he and or his family made due elsewhere.
While that was not a point I made at the time, because there was no time. (And I didn’t think of it until much later) I pointed out to them that I had been there myself, and there are people out there who are on so limited a budget there is no room in that budget for ANY give. I pointed out that at the time I had NO tv NO movies NO Internet NO phone NO car... etc.
All I was paying for was rent, utilities, and food. (not even enough give in my budget to buy clothes.)
One of the guys in this conversation said, “ and you were probably happier too!” the sheer audacity of that statement floored me.
He thought I should be happy that I was holding down three part time minimum wage jobs, trying to pay for college, having to walk up to 10 miles a day, no time to do homework, nothing to distract me from things. No chance to rest or recuperate no entertainment, no special moments in my life. Freezing in the winter because I could not afford good clothes that would keep the cold out.
And I ought to be JUMPING for joy over this. I wasn’t and, honestly, looking back I don’t think I should have been.
It was a trial that came right at the moment when I had first accepted Christ as my savior, one that was VERY difficult. To be honest had anyone said the things to me then that they were saying the other day I might have felt like just giving it all up, then where would I be today?
I would have definitely reconsidered following Christianity if I had had to face such accusatory and hateful attitudes. But that is exactly the issue that some supposed, self proclaimed “Christians”, are doing every day today.
My question for you is… Are you doing this? Are you trying to reach out to people? Are you trying to show them the love that Christ did? Or are you going to whine that you have to pay taxes and someone else doesn’t?
When Jesus was asked about his attitude on taxes he said “Give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.” not complain that your burden is greater than another’s.
When Jesus addressed how to treat the needy, he never said make them pay their fair share. He said “I was hungry, and you fed me. I was naked and you clothed me, I was thirsty and you gave me drink. In that you did this for the least of these my children you did it also unto me.” Oh and by the way Jesus also never added the caveat that we could only do this when we were sure that the food clothing or money we give isn’t going to be used for alcohol or drugs. Jesus never said give to the poor and needy as long as you know they won’t use it for wine.
So If and when the tax code changes to include the impoverished I will expect them to help foot the bill. But the fact of the matter is that we need to focus on being good Christians in attitude and deed and to show Christ’s love, which does not mean complaining! It means reaching out as well as you can to those in need.
To that measure I would advise you all to go out right now, find someone out there who is hungry or thirsty or cold. Give them food or a blanket or money pray for them, tell them about the excellent programs your church may offer to help them get on their feet. And leave the rest up to God.
By doing these things you will show the world the potential of the love of Christ. By doing it without judgement you will be showing exactly the love Christ showed when he hung on the cross for your sins.
Friday, March 23, 2012
Why I cannot understand The fight.
I am growing a little concerned about the way some “Christians” are thinking.
Namely this is about the Homosexual lifestyle and thoughts.
I hear a lot of people, Christian and other, saying that we need to be accepting of Homosexuals. They say that they cannot help the way they were made. They say that everyone deserves love.
On the surface, I would agree, but first I have to ask, what do you mean by love?
The greeks had several different words for love. The ones we will face here in this article are Phileto and Eros. There is a third that we will get to later.
Anyway Phileto we all actually know; it is one half of the word used for a major city, Philadelphia. The city of Brotherly love. See but that is the thing that is the love that we seem to skew to something else.
To me there is a difference between love and lust! I love my children. I do not want to have sex with them. I love my aunts, my uncles, my siblings, my mother and my father. I Do NOT want to sleep with them.
I think the love people really are usually talking about is Eros. This love is really lust! A desire to sleep with to have sex with the object of that desire.
Here is the thing. When a Homosexual says “I can’t help it that is the way that I am.” Then what he/she is ultimately saying in that case is “I cannot control my sexual urges”.
Well wait a minute, isn’t that then an excuse that anyone can use? A rapist a child molester or a peeping tom? They just cannot control it!
WARNING WARNING VERY MATURE SUBJECT MATTER FOLLOWS!!!
DO NOT READ IF YOU ARE EASILY OFFENDED!
I have/had a strong sexual urge. Sometimes I think/have thought that if I could have sex three times a day, 7 days a week, that would not be enough.
When I was a young boy and first discovered masturbation I abused myself so much that within a week my abdomen HURT, because of the tightening of muscles I experienced every time I had an orgasm.
If I had not discovered a vibrator I would have rubbed off all the skin down there!
I could not control it! Or could I? If I would be honest I would have to say, “yes I could have controlled myself, I just didn’t want to because it felt so GOOOOODDDDD!!!!!.
But here is the thing, I CAN control my lust. And if I am going to follow Christ I have to control that.
God tells us that any extra marital sex is sinful.
If I have sex with a girl who is not my wife I am sinning, if I have sex with my girlfriend before we get married I am sinning. And if I choose to have sex with someone who is the same sex as me I am sinning.
I heard people complaining about Kirk Cameron lately because he made “homophobic” statements. The thing is that I think we all need to lay off. Those who want to pick on him for those views would complain about how he is a hypocrite if he lived his life the same as them while judging them but he doesn’t so the masses feel they have to pick on him for the views he has.
He is living his life by the standards he sees as important… so the question becomes, “Why are they so threatened by that?”
I have heard Christian pastors and lay-people claiming that God doesn’t speak out against Homosexuality. But wait what was the whole thing about Sodom and Gomorrah about?
Was it not a condemnation of the homosexual lifestyle? People who say God doesn’t speak against homosexuality will say “no, God was speaking out against Sin in General”, or “it was really about the sin of forcible rape.” Or something. The thing is that doesn’t fit! If it was about sin in general then why did the Lord have his angels save Lot? What about his family? Remember, after being saved Lot’s daughters deliberately got him drunk and slept with him. That is not the behavior of people who never sin!
And as for the forcible rape issue, Lot offered his daughters up as a kind of sacrifice… “ you can have my daughters who have never known any man!” That sounds to me like an acceptance of the idea of rape! Yet they still saved Lot. So the only point left to argue in there is the point that when the townsmen came to Lot’s home they specifically said, “send those men out here that we might have [sex] with them.”
Thus God said in that action, It is sinful to participate in a homosexual lifestyle.
Yeah I could use all the old excuses too. I could point at how David was a “man after God’s own heart.” And yet he was such a sinner that he.
(1) Commited adultery.
(2) Tried to cover up his sin through manipulation
(3) Deliberately Caused the death of the husband of the woman with whom he had sinned.
If David a man after God’s Heart was able to do all that and STILL be a man after God’s own heart then doesn’t it fit that I can do the same without penalty?
The answer, Of Course, is NO. God wants us to follow him and what made David a man after God’s own heart was that he repented of the actions and turned to the right way after the sin was pointed out to him.
Same for me and for anyone else who participates in sinful behavior.
So should we love Homosexuals? Yes.
Does that mean we HAVE to accept their choices as the only option? No.
They are not practicing LOVE as we would know it. This is not Phileto, this is not Agape. This is Eros and that is not love, that is lust, and in that way it is a sinful thing.
All that Christians are saying (or should be saying) is that I cannot just go out and rape whoever I want. I cannot have sex with just anyone because that is a sin. It does not matter what I think I can or cannot control.
So the same standards that I am held to/holding myself to, I am asking them to be held to.
IF you are going to call yourself a Christian, you cannot live for your lusts! You need to repent of your sinfulness and live for God. The word Christian literally means Like Christ. Are you being like Christ? Are you abstaining from sin? Or are you making excuses? Jesus never made excuses he lived a life pure and holy. End of story.
Namely this is about the Homosexual lifestyle and thoughts.
I hear a lot of people, Christian and other, saying that we need to be accepting of Homosexuals. They say that they cannot help the way they were made. They say that everyone deserves love.
On the surface, I would agree, but first I have to ask, what do you mean by love?
The greeks had several different words for love. The ones we will face here in this article are Phileto and Eros. There is a third that we will get to later.
Anyway Phileto we all actually know; it is one half of the word used for a major city, Philadelphia. The city of Brotherly love. See but that is the thing that is the love that we seem to skew to something else.
To me there is a difference between love and lust! I love my children. I do not want to have sex with them. I love my aunts, my uncles, my siblings, my mother and my father. I Do NOT want to sleep with them.
I think the love people really are usually talking about is Eros. This love is really lust! A desire to sleep with to have sex with the object of that desire.
Here is the thing. When a Homosexual says “I can’t help it that is the way that I am.” Then what he/she is ultimately saying in that case is “I cannot control my sexual urges”.
Well wait a minute, isn’t that then an excuse that anyone can use? A rapist a child molester or a peeping tom? They just cannot control it!
WARNING WARNING VERY MATURE SUBJECT MATTER FOLLOWS!!!
DO NOT READ IF YOU ARE EASILY OFFENDED!
I have/had a strong sexual urge. Sometimes I think/have thought that if I could have sex three times a day, 7 days a week, that would not be enough.
When I was a young boy and first discovered masturbation I abused myself so much that within a week my abdomen HURT, because of the tightening of muscles I experienced every time I had an orgasm.
If I had not discovered a vibrator I would have rubbed off all the skin down there!
I could not control it! Or could I? If I would be honest I would have to say, “yes I could have controlled myself, I just didn’t want to because it felt so GOOOOODDDDD!!!!!.
But here is the thing, I CAN control my lust. And if I am going to follow Christ I have to control that.
God tells us that any extra marital sex is sinful.
If I have sex with a girl who is not my wife I am sinning, if I have sex with my girlfriend before we get married I am sinning. And if I choose to have sex with someone who is the same sex as me I am sinning.
I heard people complaining about Kirk Cameron lately because he made “homophobic” statements. The thing is that I think we all need to lay off. Those who want to pick on him for those views would complain about how he is a hypocrite if he lived his life the same as them while judging them but he doesn’t so the masses feel they have to pick on him for the views he has.
He is living his life by the standards he sees as important… so the question becomes, “Why are they so threatened by that?”
I have heard Christian pastors and lay-people claiming that God doesn’t speak out against Homosexuality. But wait what was the whole thing about Sodom and Gomorrah about?
Was it not a condemnation of the homosexual lifestyle? People who say God doesn’t speak against homosexuality will say “no, God was speaking out against Sin in General”, or “it was really about the sin of forcible rape.” Or something. The thing is that doesn’t fit! If it was about sin in general then why did the Lord have his angels save Lot? What about his family? Remember, after being saved Lot’s daughters deliberately got him drunk and slept with him. That is not the behavior of people who never sin!
And as for the forcible rape issue, Lot offered his daughters up as a kind of sacrifice… “ you can have my daughters who have never known any man!” That sounds to me like an acceptance of the idea of rape! Yet they still saved Lot. So the only point left to argue in there is the point that when the townsmen came to Lot’s home they specifically said, “send those men out here that we might have [sex] with them.”
Thus God said in that action, It is sinful to participate in a homosexual lifestyle.
Yeah I could use all the old excuses too. I could point at how David was a “man after God’s own heart.” And yet he was such a sinner that he.
(1) Commited adultery.
(2) Tried to cover up his sin through manipulation
(3) Deliberately Caused the death of the husband of the woman with whom he had sinned.
If David a man after God’s Heart was able to do all that and STILL be a man after God’s own heart then doesn’t it fit that I can do the same without penalty?
The answer, Of Course, is NO. God wants us to follow him and what made David a man after God’s own heart was that he repented of the actions and turned to the right way after the sin was pointed out to him.
Same for me and for anyone else who participates in sinful behavior.
So should we love Homosexuals? Yes.
Does that mean we HAVE to accept their choices as the only option? No.
They are not practicing LOVE as we would know it. This is not Phileto, this is not Agape. This is Eros and that is not love, that is lust, and in that way it is a sinful thing.
All that Christians are saying (or should be saying) is that I cannot just go out and rape whoever I want. I cannot have sex with just anyone because that is a sin. It does not matter what I think I can or cannot control.
So the same standards that I am held to/holding myself to, I am asking them to be held to.
IF you are going to call yourself a Christian, you cannot live for your lusts! You need to repent of your sinfulness and live for God. The word Christian literally means Like Christ. Are you being like Christ? Are you abstaining from sin? Or are you making excuses? Jesus never made excuses he lived a life pure and holy. End of story.
Friday, January 6, 2012
Stop the arrogance
At work I was thinking about something that has come up.
I think you all should know by now that I believe that it is only human arrogance that makes us think God has to tell us everything. It is after all in my last blog.
But the thing is let’s look at what evidence there is to support this. Oddly enough I will start with the opposite view.
God wants us to grow, he wants us to be able to learn. In order to achieve his wish for this to be so he tells us about the cases of others. Adam and Eve is about the creation of earth and the universe, right?
Well what use is there for us in knowing how they were kicked out of the Garden of Eden?
See here is the thing, we need to know the nature of God. By telling us the plane he had for Adam and then for Eve, he is giving us insight into how things were supposed to be. In fact I would go further and say he is giving us insight into where he wants us NOW.
But there was a problem, the serpent! This “individual” comes along and whammo we are screwed as a people.
God allows us to know the details of that. Why? Because we can use those details as an opportunity to learn.
Think about it.
First Eve listened to the serpent instead of following God’s word and she entered into sin. What is the lesson for us? Get into God’s word. If we know his word we will not be easily swayed.
Second We also learn that there are those who will try to draw us away from God. And they will succeed if we let them.
Third. When the Serpent approached Eve she was alone. This shows us that when we are separated from God AND from fellow believers we are easy targets for evil.
What happened next? She told Adam “Hey this stuff is good!” and so Adam eats. What do we learn here?
First we learn that we need to listen to God. Adam had the benefit of talking to God directly but instead of listening to God he chose to listen to his wife instead.
Second we learn that we need to be faithful.
Third we learn that we will be punished when we fail to live up to the rules set.
Again in the story of Cain and Able it is the same thing. We are being taught a value system that God has in place.
See the point is all these things are in there to teach us and to grow us. The fact that something ISN’T in there though does not mean that it is not so.
The Bible does not say anything about the sun being the center of the galaxy, or the Mayans living on the other side of the world or… but these things are true.
Like I said before, we need to read the word of God and understand it. And that means ALL of it. Too many people will be ready to tell you what the Bible says and or doesn’t say.
For example, I know of a radio host who likes to goad Christians by telling them they have to follow the Old Testament laws. He brings up that argument every time a Christian starts worrying about what might happen because of the extremism in other religions.
His point is that the Old Testament supports extremes just as much as any other religious text and that if we do NOT follow the Old Testament laws to the letter then we are hypocrites.
The problem is that the NEW testament brought to us by Jesus Christ, while it does not cancel out the way we OUGHT to live it DOES cancel out the debt penalty that is owed.
As I have said before Jesus pays the penalties for our sins. Paul points out that we are still to live our lives as best we can, however the payment is made for what we do wrong
This is something that he cannot understand. God sent his son to earth. Jesus said he came “to fulfil the law and the prophets”. And therefore the parts in the Old Testament where it demands things like stoning of adulterers WE DO NOT HAVE TO DO. “Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord.” God will deal out the punishment/s.
Some people will tell you this is a difference from the God of the Old Testament but it isn’t. Everything God has done has been an act of love.
He could have/should have allowed Adam and Eve to die instantly for their sin. But he let them live and have offspring. Why? He loved them.
God could have destroyed Cain on the spot but no. why? Love.
God could have destroyed ALL the people in the flood but God loved Noah.
At any point in the history we see God could have killed all of mankind and started over. But love stayed his hand every time.
Again, he could have left his people the Israelites in captivity in Egypt, but instead he set them free because he loved them.
He could have let them stay in the desert but he loved them enough to feed them, give them water, part the red sea and finally lead them to a land that was good for them.
ALL of that for love.
So, to me, there is no doubt that the same God who showed love in all those things would also show love towards us “in that while [we] were yet sinners he sent his son to die for us.” (John 3:16)
We need to read his word and know it then we need to test the people who are telling us about him through his word and know if they are honest or not.
There was once a time when the Bible was written in a language that few people still knew how to read. God gave us men (and women) to faithfully translate his words so that they could be read by all. We need to do that (read his word) so that the efforts of those people do not go to waste.
One of my favorite verses is psalm 119:11… look it up and memorize it.
I think you all should know by now that I believe that it is only human arrogance that makes us think God has to tell us everything. It is after all in my last blog.
But the thing is let’s look at what evidence there is to support this. Oddly enough I will start with the opposite view.
God wants us to grow, he wants us to be able to learn. In order to achieve his wish for this to be so he tells us about the cases of others. Adam and Eve is about the creation of earth and the universe, right?
Well what use is there for us in knowing how they were kicked out of the Garden of Eden?
See here is the thing, we need to know the nature of God. By telling us the plane he had for Adam and then for Eve, he is giving us insight into how things were supposed to be. In fact I would go further and say he is giving us insight into where he wants us NOW.
But there was a problem, the serpent! This “individual” comes along and whammo we are screwed as a people.
God allows us to know the details of that. Why? Because we can use those details as an opportunity to learn.
Think about it.
First Eve listened to the serpent instead of following God’s word and she entered into sin. What is the lesson for us? Get into God’s word. If we know his word we will not be easily swayed.
Second We also learn that there are those who will try to draw us away from God. And they will succeed if we let them.
Third. When the Serpent approached Eve she was alone. This shows us that when we are separated from God AND from fellow believers we are easy targets for evil.
What happened next? She told Adam “Hey this stuff is good!” and so Adam eats. What do we learn here?
First we learn that we need to listen to God. Adam had the benefit of talking to God directly but instead of listening to God he chose to listen to his wife instead.
Second we learn that we need to be faithful.
Third we learn that we will be punished when we fail to live up to the rules set.
Again in the story of Cain and Able it is the same thing. We are being taught a value system that God has in place.
See the point is all these things are in there to teach us and to grow us. The fact that something ISN’T in there though does not mean that it is not so.
The Bible does not say anything about the sun being the center of the galaxy, or the Mayans living on the other side of the world or… but these things are true.
Like I said before, we need to read the word of God and understand it. And that means ALL of it. Too many people will be ready to tell you what the Bible says and or doesn’t say.
For example, I know of a radio host who likes to goad Christians by telling them they have to follow the Old Testament laws. He brings up that argument every time a Christian starts worrying about what might happen because of the extremism in other religions.
His point is that the Old Testament supports extremes just as much as any other religious text and that if we do NOT follow the Old Testament laws to the letter then we are hypocrites.
The problem is that the NEW testament brought to us by Jesus Christ, while it does not cancel out the way we OUGHT to live it DOES cancel out the debt penalty that is owed.
As I have said before Jesus pays the penalties for our sins. Paul points out that we are still to live our lives as best we can, however the payment is made for what we do wrong
This is something that he cannot understand. God sent his son to earth. Jesus said he came “to fulfil the law and the prophets”. And therefore the parts in the Old Testament where it demands things like stoning of adulterers WE DO NOT HAVE TO DO. “Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord.” God will deal out the punishment/s.
Some people will tell you this is a difference from the God of the Old Testament but it isn’t. Everything God has done has been an act of love.
He could have/should have allowed Adam and Eve to die instantly for their sin. But he let them live and have offspring. Why? He loved them.
God could have destroyed Cain on the spot but no. why? Love.
God could have destroyed ALL the people in the flood but God loved Noah.
At any point in the history we see God could have killed all of mankind and started over. But love stayed his hand every time.
Again, he could have left his people the Israelites in captivity in Egypt, but instead he set them free because he loved them.
He could have let them stay in the desert but he loved them enough to feed them, give them water, part the red sea and finally lead them to a land that was good for them.
ALL of that for love.
So, to me, there is no doubt that the same God who showed love in all those things would also show love towards us “in that while [we] were yet sinners he sent his son to die for us.” (John 3:16)
We need to read his word and know it then we need to test the people who are telling us about him through his word and know if they are honest or not.
There was once a time when the Bible was written in a language that few people still knew how to read. God gave us men (and women) to faithfully translate his words so that they could be read by all. We need to do that (read his word) so that the efforts of those people do not go to waste.
One of my favorite verses is psalm 119:11… look it up and memorize it.
Wednesday, January 4, 2012
What about the things the Bible doesn’t talk about?
I would like to preface this with a disclaimer…
I do not have an opinion one way or the other about what might or might not be in this world or out of this world. I am merely trying to point out that we need to understand things before we go jumping to conclusions. As Shakespeare said “There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”
Yup that’s right there are things that the Bible leaves undiscussed.
One night at work I heard a man on the radio telling the listeners that “the Bible does not say there are aliens so therefore they cannot exist.”
He was rather adamant that this was the case. And my first thought was “how unbelievably arrogant of him.”
I mean think about it. Who are we as humans to think that we know better than God, and further what is it about us that is so important that God has to kowtow to us and tell us “EVERYTHING”?
God, not man, is the creator of all that we see. God not man, laid out the plans before everything was made and it is God, not man, who still is in control of his creation.
Who are we to say that it must be done OUR way?
How many times do we see the example of how much more God knows over how much we know?
God is omniscient and omnipresent. There is no man on the face of this earth who can make the same claim.
But this man had his ideas and points about why there couldn’t be some things.
So let us consider...
“Just because the Bible doesn’t talk about aliens they don’t exist.”
Well the Bible never mentions the Maya or the Native Americans. It doesn’t even mention that the America’s exist. But here they are. What a surprise that must have been.
The Bible never mentions that the earth is round or spherical (to be more accurate) but we know better. In fact Jesus said go into the Four Corners of the world and spread the gospel. Taken literally this would signify a square or flat earth.
The Bible never tells us that the earth revolves around the sun but we now know this to be true.
In each of these cases someone at sometime stood up and said “well it doesn’t mention it in the Bible so it cannot be.” The church even excommunicated some pioneers in science for these theories.
He also said that in order for us to be saved Jesus had to take on the form of man. (true) and that therefore he could not have taken on the form of an alien (?) which means that aliens cannot be saved so this proves there cannot be any aliens (???.)
First of all we are shown in God’s word that we are created in God’s image. We do not have any idea what physiology aliens might enjoy… they may also look like us, they may also have feelings like us and since we were created in God’s image he might have done the same for any aliens.
Second of all Original sin came through Adam and Eve. Whether there is a penalty or sinful nature to the aliens is beyond our knowledge or understanding, they might not have needed to be “saved” if they did not participate in the sin. This seems very unlikely, consider Romans 3:23, and also because we see that all of animal kind also experiences death, which is the penalty for sin.
Mankind dragged down all the rest of creation with that mistake so it is likely that we dragged down aliens too, If they existed and If they didn’t actually sin themselves (and if they have souls). So it is very likely that the aliens would need salvation too, if it were possible.
Maybe the aliens do not have saving grace and that is why they keep abducting people and scaring the snot out of us is because they blame us for this state of affairs.
Anyway, since death is the penalty of sin maybe saving grace would be needed for them but this brings me to my final point on the subject.
The Aliens might not be saved at all; to make his claim that, "the only option is that they had to accept Christ in order to even exist". Well this isn’t true, they may exist but be destined for hell. Just because they have not accepted Christ does not mean they do not exist. Any man on earth (or woman) who rejects Jesus is going to face hell. That doesn’t mean they all of a sudden cease to exist here and now.
The thing is that it is God who knows it all and it is God who runs it all. We do not get that much say in the whole thing. We need to stop second guessing him and his word and simply live our lives trusting him. Trusting that he knows best. And in that trust when/ if something happens trust that he will see us through it.
There is also the point that it could simply be a case of "none of [our] business". There is a book I like a lot titled a horse and his boy. Written by C.S. Lewis. at one point in the book a character asks Aslan about what happened to someone else. Aslan responds with "that is her story not yours. the point being it was none of her business. and I think the same could be said of any "aliens" that might be out there. Maybe, just maybe the Bible doesn't talk about them because, at least till now, it has been NONE OF OUR BUSINESS.
What we need to focus on here and now is where we stand with God. that is our primary concern and that is what we need to focus on.
When you make certain declarations as a faith, and there is nothing in God’s word to actually verify it, then there is the very real chance that you will mislead someone to doubt God and thus drive them away.
And that is something we should not do. How much was the faith of our ancestors tried when some churchman or church stood up and said, “It isn’t in the Bible so it cannot be.” Just to find out that it so very much can be and is.
God doesn’t fit in our boxes, so quit trying to put him there.
I do not have an opinion one way or the other about what might or might not be in this world or out of this world. I am merely trying to point out that we need to understand things before we go jumping to conclusions. As Shakespeare said “There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”
Yup that’s right there are things that the Bible leaves undiscussed.
One night at work I heard a man on the radio telling the listeners that “the Bible does not say there are aliens so therefore they cannot exist.”
He was rather adamant that this was the case. And my first thought was “how unbelievably arrogant of him.”
I mean think about it. Who are we as humans to think that we know better than God, and further what is it about us that is so important that God has to kowtow to us and tell us “EVERYTHING”?
God, not man, is the creator of all that we see. God not man, laid out the plans before everything was made and it is God, not man, who still is in control of his creation.
Who are we to say that it must be done OUR way?
How many times do we see the example of how much more God knows over how much we know?
God is omniscient and omnipresent. There is no man on the face of this earth who can make the same claim.
But this man had his ideas and points about why there couldn’t be some things.
So let us consider...
“Just because the Bible doesn’t talk about aliens they don’t exist.”
Well the Bible never mentions the Maya or the Native Americans. It doesn’t even mention that the America’s exist. But here they are. What a surprise that must have been.
The Bible never mentions that the earth is round or spherical (to be more accurate) but we know better. In fact Jesus said go into the Four Corners of the world and spread the gospel. Taken literally this would signify a square or flat earth.
The Bible never tells us that the earth revolves around the sun but we now know this to be true.
In each of these cases someone at sometime stood up and said “well it doesn’t mention it in the Bible so it cannot be.” The church even excommunicated some pioneers in science for these theories.
He also said that in order for us to be saved Jesus had to take on the form of man. (true) and that therefore he could not have taken on the form of an alien (?) which means that aliens cannot be saved so this proves there cannot be any aliens (???.)
First of all we are shown in God’s word that we are created in God’s image. We do not have any idea what physiology aliens might enjoy… they may also look like us, they may also have feelings like us and since we were created in God’s image he might have done the same for any aliens.
Second of all Original sin came through Adam and Eve. Whether there is a penalty or sinful nature to the aliens is beyond our knowledge or understanding, they might not have needed to be “saved” if they did not participate in the sin. This seems very unlikely, consider Romans 3:23, and also because we see that all of animal kind also experiences death, which is the penalty for sin.
Mankind dragged down all the rest of creation with that mistake so it is likely that we dragged down aliens too, If they existed and If they didn’t actually sin themselves (and if they have souls). So it is very likely that the aliens would need salvation too, if it were possible.
Maybe the aliens do not have saving grace and that is why they keep abducting people and scaring the snot out of us is because they blame us for this state of affairs.
Anyway, since death is the penalty of sin maybe saving grace would be needed for them but this brings me to my final point on the subject.
The Aliens might not be saved at all; to make his claim that, "the only option is that they had to accept Christ in order to even exist". Well this isn’t true, they may exist but be destined for hell. Just because they have not accepted Christ does not mean they do not exist. Any man on earth (or woman) who rejects Jesus is going to face hell. That doesn’t mean they all of a sudden cease to exist here and now.
The thing is that it is God who knows it all and it is God who runs it all. We do not get that much say in the whole thing. We need to stop second guessing him and his word and simply live our lives trusting him. Trusting that he knows best. And in that trust when/ if something happens trust that he will see us through it.
There is also the point that it could simply be a case of "none of [our] business". There is a book I like a lot titled a horse and his boy. Written by C.S. Lewis. at one point in the book a character asks Aslan about what happened to someone else. Aslan responds with "that is her story not yours. the point being it was none of her business. and I think the same could be said of any "aliens" that might be out there. Maybe, just maybe the Bible doesn't talk about them because, at least till now, it has been NONE OF OUR BUSINESS.
What we need to focus on here and now is where we stand with God. that is our primary concern and that is what we need to focus on.
When you make certain declarations as a faith, and there is nothing in God’s word to actually verify it, then there is the very real chance that you will mislead someone to doubt God and thus drive them away.
And that is something we should not do. How much was the faith of our ancestors tried when some churchman or church stood up and said, “It isn’t in the Bible so it cannot be.” Just to find out that it so very much can be and is.
God doesn’t fit in our boxes, so quit trying to put him there.
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